tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post4910291063854240894..comments2023-11-28T05:42:13.914+03:00Comments on wgaw: Creeds of IslamShirley Sunmanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03115026235220690768noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post-79948408449165129212010-05-12T06:59:04.660+03:002010-05-12T06:59:04.660+03:00According to Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani's book o...According to Ayatollah Ali Al-Sistani's book of "Twelver Shia" fiqh, sinlessness is not a prerequisite for leading the prayer, but the imam must be "Adl" (just), which to my knowledge is held to mean that they don't commit major sins (at least as far as is known for sure)in public.<br /><br />Wasalaam from Portland.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00529109160242827514noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post-24271890652930368302009-08-26T06:43:20.493+03:002009-08-26T06:43:20.493+03:00thanks for the corrections, appreciate your time a...thanks for the corrections, appreciate your time and help.Shirley Sunmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115026235220690768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post-10748927698638987652009-08-22T05:51:56.806+03:002009-08-22T05:51:56.806+03:00There are several things that are just incorrect h...There are several things that are just incorrect here:<br /><br />1) Sufis are not a sect. They are follows of a mystical path. They can be sunni or shia.<br /><br />2) There are four sunni schools of law (and not schools of thought).<br /><br />3) You did not mention the largest shia group, the Ithna Ashari shia. Shias are divided into three groups: Itha ashari shia (which makes up 90% of shia in the world) - they believe in 12 imams, zaidi shia, and ismaili shia who split off from the ithna ashari shia with the 7th imam (they believed that ismail was the rightful imam). Ismaili shia are also split into various groups.<br /><br />4) Druze, Bahai'is and Alawis are not shia.They developed out of shia islam just the same way as christianity developed out of judaism. Just like it is incorrect to call Christians Jews, it is incorrect to call these groups Shia. Druze consider themselves to be part of a religion that is separate than mainstream muslims - they consider themselves the true followers of the prophet but do not recognize other muslims as such. Bahaiis are a completely different religion. The position of Alawis is a bit more complicated. Mainstream sunni and shia muslims do not recognize alawis as muslims because of their belief is a christian like trinity which includes Ali. However Alawis describe themselves as shia muslims and until recently followed the jafari school of law. Their current belief in the trinity is unclear as they are very secretive (because they are a persecuted minority). Musa Al - Sadr, Lebanons shia leader recognized Alawis as Muslims but many view that as a political move.<br /><br />6) you did not mention the shia schools of law. Itha asharis follow the jafari school of law. Zaidis follow a separate school of law as do bohra ismailis. Agha khan ismailis follow the decrees of the agha khan. <br /><br />7) Khawarij are not called Khawarij because they left the folds of islam. Instead they are called Khawarij because they left the group that was supporting Ali during the battle between Ali and Muawiya. They are very mainstream in their beliefs. They exist nowadays in Oman and the Sultan of Oman is part of that sect. They do not call themselves khawarij because it has now become a derogatory term. Khawarij are neither sunni not shia. Shia were the supporters of Ali. Khawarij are those who left the supporters of Ali, and sunnis are basically everyone else.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post-34659932685596161172009-08-06T06:59:18.823+03:002009-08-06T06:59:18.823+03:00There are about 130-150 sects or splinter groups, ...There are about 130-150 sects or splinter groups, but of course nobody knows exactly what an "Islamic" sect is, at least if you ask different Muslims.<br /><br />I would say that the lowest denominator to arrive at the higher estimate is "Allah is god, the Quran is his book and Mohammad a messenger." Anything beyond this and you start getting variations and a multiplicity of Mulim sects. In fact, the Muslims make the Baptists look like unified brothers living in harmony.<br /> <br />If I were your teacher, I would give you a C+.<br /><br />Ajtr, not bad at all. You know your history, but the kharijites are very much alive an well and still doing evil, but they call themselves Wahhabis now. In the same mode, Al Qeida is similar to the Azraqi or Azariqah movement. By the way, do you know the story of what the Ikhwan did in a small village called Taef in about 1924 and what this has to do with the Brotherhood?<br /><br /> Here is my take on the Duze, Assassins and Sufis: The Nizaris (also known as the Hashshashin but even better know as Assassins) were a subgroup of the Shiite Isma'ili sect. They are best known for their unique business plan, which consisted of a mafia-like protection racket and rent-a-killer agency. Starting 1100 AD, the head of this group (Hasan-i Sabbah) would recruit young men, drug them with hashish and then put them into a garden (still drugged) filled with all kind of earthly delights, most of them female in nature. After a short time there were removed from the garden and told they had experienced a taste of paradise and if they wanted back they had to complete a special mission for the Old Man of the Mountain (as the leader became known). To maximize the terror effect the Fedayeen (as they called themselves) would kill important figures (using disguises and a poisoned dagger) in public places at the most unexpected times, including when the victim was at prayer or in a mosque. The Assassins were fearless and almost unstoppable (and they really wanted to get back to that garden and those wild women). The hashishiyya murdered Crusaders, Caliphs and Sultans; Even Saladin was attacked twice. Often the Caliph would employ the services of the assassins to resolve difficult political issues (ie, kill his enemies). The Mongols destroyed the Nizari stronghold in 1256 but there are still some around led by the Aga Khan.<br /> There are two more groups that appeared at this time and are still around. One are the Druze, also Ismailis, that trace their roots to Ismail ibn Jafar, a son of the first of two 7th Imams (the same as the assassins, but quite different in ideology!). It seems one was replaced by another brother and the so the there was a split, again. It was during the Abissid period that the "Mystical Islam," or Sufism movement began. This is a doctrine that mixes Islam with mysticism (or Persian magic, as some critics claim). The best-known early Sufi was Mansur Al-Hallaj (858-922AD). He preached love, unity and sprituality as a way to fin the Truth (al-haqq). Most Muslim didn't like the sound of that, so for this crime he had his hands and feet cut off (Sharia law!) and was then decapitaded and his body burned. Later Abu Hamid Al-Ghazali (about 1100 AD) modified the Sufi doctrine to make it more acceptable to other Muslims (well, kind of). Sufism is still around today and it has evolved into something that I find rather hard to explain in less than a full chapter, nevertheless I will try. It is a semi-Islamic cult that mixes medication with spirituality. I mean meditation! Let me try again: Sufism is a reinterpretation of the basic tenets of Islam to emphasize the struggle against the self and its desires in order to to achieve the a spritual union of man and nature and (gasp!) Allah. Oh heck, it is what you get when you mix Islam with Buddhism, Hinduism and thrown in a few hermit Christian monks and take them all to a New Age music and dance festival. One of the preseding three explanations must be right, maybe!<br /><br />KactuzJay Kactuzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00787981505537381330noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post-20025045717039938702009-08-05T23:07:51.931+03:002009-08-05T23:07:51.931+03:00a few corrections:
1) the zaidis are shiite, not s...a few corrections:<br />1) the zaidis are shiite, not sunni<br />2) sufis are not a sect. they are the mystical brotherhoods in islam. there are sunni sufis and shia sufis. some fall under the pale of mainstream sunnism, and are accepted by orthodox scholars, while other more syncretic variants are regarded as "too extreme" by the orthodox.<br />3) the four sunni schools listed are not "schools of thought", but rather schools of law and rites. often they are called the schools of jurisprudence.<br />4) the kharijites are generally regarded to have been separate from both the sunnis and the shiites. the only remaining sect descended from the kharijites are the ibadhis of oman, though even this is contested<br />5) the fatimids were not a sect. it was a dynasty/empire ruled by the descendants of fatima. the dynasty adhered to ismaili shiism<br />6) the nizaris, also known as aghakhanis, are one of (the largest) sub-sect of ismailis.<br />7) you didn't mention the largest shiite sect, which are the ithna-asheri (twelvers).ajtrnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post-90488255404762988322009-08-05T20:58:53.729+03:002009-08-05T20:58:53.729+03:00many thanks for the info, appreciate your comments...many thanks for the info, appreciate your commentsShirley Sunmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03115026235220690768noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post-35948208412929440432009-08-05T12:59:34.594+03:002009-08-05T12:59:34.594+03:00Thanks for a very interesting post. I always had t...Thanks for a very interesting post. I always had thought, for instance, that Zaidi were actually Shia and that Assassins were a sub-sect of the Druzes.Jean-Baptiste Perrinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00357296593091267312noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post-56813487016955163352009-08-05T05:07:50.479+03:002009-08-05T05:07:50.479+03:00The second map seems a little outdated. For exampl...The second map seems a little outdated. For example, Pakistan's population is roughly 1/3 Shiite (estimated at 35% or so).<br /><br />Nice unbiased text though :)Abidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02042821519737093449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5621991582815326375.post-51761087322485198242009-08-05T04:48:41.264+03:002009-08-05T04:48:41.264+03:00Bahá'í dawned in Persia. Both the Báb (1819-18...Bahá'í dawned in Persia. Both the Báb (1819-1850) & Bahá'u'lláh (1817-1892)were born there. These Twin Trumpet Blasts stated that Islam included Abraham, Moses, Jesus and their followers, according to the Qur'án, although those religions were not called "Islam". Likewise, true "Muslims" will be attentive to the new Revelations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com